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10. 1. 2022   anonym
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12. 1. 2022   anonym
Mas pravdu a aj rezim reprezentovany progresivnym komunistom Jackom Dorseyom sa blizi ku koncu. Ano ten Jack, ktory zrusil konto na twiteri pravoplatne zvolenemu Prezidentovi USA.
Ani jeho dnesny vykrik tym ze zalozil defence fund to aid BTC devs facing litigation mu nepomoze. Je to na Satoshi Nakamotovi aby urobil raz a navzdy poriadok civilizovanym sposobom cez sudne rozhodnutie s celou tou bandou zlocincov.
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